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GM "Old Looks"

One ad that you can bet was never published...
"Come and test drive the Brand new 1952 Old Look today!"

During most of their long production run, the staple in the General Motors bus line up was never referred to as an "Old Look."  Yet, once the popular "Fishbowl" design debuted in 1959, somehow the terms "Old Look" and "New Look" became universal throughout a number of American transit agencies.  Other nicknames the ubiquitous GM coaches have seen applied to them include "Flatbottoms," "Slopebacks," and even "Buffalos" and "Loaves of Bread."  Most were built without air-conditioning, thus furthering the rift between them and their cooler successors.  The windows were small and the interiors were somewhat cramped, yet these streamlined coaches performed their main job well, dependably serving Baltimore for over 40 years.

Exactly what constitutes an "Official Old-Look" is somewhat of a grey area to be sure.  The GM coaches of the late 1940's through the 1950's are certain to be included within their ranks.  Somewhat hazier is the inclusion of the coaches built by Yellow-GM in the early 1940's and back into the late 1930's.  For purpose of categorization, this page will include only those "Old Look" buses built under GM authority bearing GM name and builders plates.  The earlier "Yellow" models will follow in a subsequent page to be added later.

Such categorization leaves the start of this page at 1945.  World War II was in its closing days, and the BTC's motor buses were facing a tremendous amount of strain as a result of hard service requirements brought about by the shortage of materials, and the rationing of supplies in the War effort.  At the time, the BTC's newest Diesel, #1095, was already four years old, having been delivered just before the beginning of the American involvement.  Industry's attention to the War effort meant the construction of no new domestic equipment such as buses (and even automobiles) for several years.  It was not until 1945, that the BTC was able to aquire five new buses which had been ordered in 1941.  These TD-4506's, numbered 1096-1100, were delivered in June, and were painted in an Office of Defense Transportation (ODT) scheme of grey and white.
 

Year: Numbers: Length: Model: Retired: Notes:
COACHES PURCHASED NEW
1945 1096-1100 35 Feet TD-4506 1971  
1946 1101-1200 35 Feet TD-4506 1971  
1947 1400-1598 35 Feet TDH-4507 1971/1974  
1948 1599 35 Feet TDH-4507 1971 Replacement for Original 1465 (sn 620)
1951 1600-1619 35 Feet TDH-4509 1975  
1952 1700-1710 40 Feet TDH-5103 1975  
1953 1711-1730 40 Feet TDH-5103 1975  
1953 1800-1814 40 Feet TDH-5105 1975  
1954 1815-1818 40 Feet TDH-5105 1975  
1955 1819-1863 40 Feet TDH-5105 1979  
1956 1864-1893 40 Feet TDH-5105 1979  
1957 1894-1918 40 Feet TDH-5105 1980  
1959 1925-1949 40 Feet TDH-5105 1980  
COACHES PURCHASED SECOND-HAND
1954 900-902 30 Feet TD-3609 1971 1946 Models purchased from Knoxville Transit Lines
1954 903-907 30 Feet TDH-3610 1971 1947 Models purchased from Knoxville Transit Lines
1954 1201-1207 35 Feet TD-4506 1971 1945 Models purchased from Knoxville Transit Lines
1956 1034-1043 33 Feet TD-4007 1971 1946 Models purchased from Bluebird Coach Lines
1957 1919-1924 40 Feet TDH-5105 1979 1955 Models purchased from Knoxville Transit Lines
1957 1208-1212 35 Feet TD-4506 1970 1945 Models purchased from Knoxville Transit Lines.
1958 1620-1624 35 Feet TDH-4509 1975 1953 Models purchased from Augusta Coach Co.
1958 1300-1315 35 Feet TDH-4507 1970 1947/1948 Models purchased from Buffalo Transit Co.
Grey bar denotes coaches delivered in ODT Grey and White, Blue Bar denotes coaches delivered in Lemon Yellow and Blue,
Green Bars denote coaches delivered in NCL "Fruit Salad" Scheme, Yellow bars denote coaches first used in "Transportation Orange" scheme.

Before the arrival of these coaches, the BTC, in October of 1944, had added an additional 100 TD-4506 coaches onto the 1941 order.  These coaches, numbered 1101-1200, did not arrive until 1946, the result of labor troubles at the General Motors plant.  As delivered the coaches wore a splashy scheme of Lemon Yellow and white, set off by a bright blue stripe on either side that converged into a "V" in the front, and a dip in the rear. This unique scheme would not last long, however, as changes in control and ownership would impact lasting changes in Baltimore's transit.  Interestingly, the majority of these changes revolved around General Motors "Old Look" buses.

Near the end of World War II in late 1944, a control battle would take place within the BTC.  First, a sizeable amount of BTC stock would be purchased by the National City Lines (NCL), an outfit controlled by E. Roy Fitzgerald, who had (to say the least) strong ties with General Motors, as well Standard Oil and Firestone Tires.  Needless to say, an operation of this influence could certainly be seen as having an interest in seeing sales of GM, Standard, and Firestone products.

NCL, eager to capitalize on their new holdings, began to petition first for board representation, and was granted permission to appoint two members to the Board of Directors.  In what might be seen as a somewhat unethical (or at least rude) move, the NCL members sought to give BTC President Bancroft Hill the ability to step aside whenever he wanted.  While this would be dismissed, Hill would ultimately retire soon afterwards (the nature of which is unknown).  Following this, NCL was able to get its man, Fred Nolan, to head the BTC.  Thus, the BTC (with NCL at the helm) was now able to proceed in its plans of a massive conversion of lines from rail to bus, which would involve the purchase of hundreds of new GM buses.

After ironing out issues concerning repaving costs, the BTC, optimistic that their "modernization" plan would be approved, set out in search of new coaches during the Summer of 1946.  On July 15th, an order was placed for 200 TDH-4506 coaches, costing $13,127.50 each.  However, this order would be cancelled, to be replaced with a subsequent order dated August 8th, for 200 TDH-4507's, priced at $15,051.00 each.  Another unfilled order form shows an order for 400 4507's priced just below $15,000 each, but it is believed that the possibility of this order would have replaced the coaches represented in the August 8th order.  However, a later order would be placed for Gasoline buses with ACF-Brill that would make up for much of the coaches dropped from the larger order.

In the spring of 1947, the 200 Diesels arrived, numbered 1400-1599 (the 1200's were a group of Fords, while the 1300 series was skipped)  to be lated joined by 161 Brill Gasoline Buses.  Most of these would enter service on June 22, 1947, typically referred to by Transit Historians as "M-Day," when streetcar routes #11, 17, and 29 were replaced by bus routes #3, 11, 28/37, 29, and 57.  On the last day of streetcar operation, BTC held a parade of buses from the Court House northward along a portion of the new route. As delivered, these coaches wore a standard NCL scheme of Yellow and Deep Green, thus testifying to their lineage.  All of them would not enter service until March of 1948, when the #6 streetcar line was converted to bus.

A jinxed coach number of this series was #1465.  Originally, a coach bearing serial number 620 was to wear this fleet number.  However, enroute to Baltimore, the coach was involved in a major accident which involved serious structural damage.  As a result, the coach was refused by the BTC, and a coach with serial number 614 was numbered as #1465.  For unknown reasons, this coach would be the first of this lot to be retired, vanishing from the rosters by 1955.  Rosters from 1950 and 1951 show the coach running from out of Bush Street yard.
 

DAYS OF YELLOW AND EARLIER SCHEMES
1146
New Coach #1146 wears the delivery Yellow and Blue scheme of 1946, in what might be a posed shot of it on Southbound Charles Street in front of the Washington Monument, or perhaps a service shot of the Route A bus after it was resumed after World War II. Photo from the Transit Archives Collection.
1096 Looking much as it did when it roamed the streets of Baltimore during the 1950's is Coach #1096, the first TD-4506 produced.  The coach, donated to the Baltimore Streetcar Museum, is stored on the annex lot of MTA's Bush Division.  Adam Paul photo.
1112
Coach #1112 wears the Fruit Salad Scheme as it boards riders at Charles and 34th Streets outside Johns Hopkins University.  These coaches were familiar sights on the #11 line all the way until they were retired.  Photo from the Transit Archives Collection.
1130 In the early years, the 1100's were familiar sights on the #12 line operating from Halethorpe to North & Gay.  Here, coach #1130 poses in the Bush Street yard between assignments.  Photo from the Transit Archives Collection.
1192
Working its way down what looks to be the "free wheeling artery" of Howard Street at Fayette is coach #1192, though the location may be along Liberty Street near Redwood.  The coach wears the 1950's era yellow paint scheme.  Photo from the Transit Archives Collection.
1203 All of the coaches purchased second-hand by the BTC in the 1950's originally wore the Yellow BTC paint scheme.  Here, coach #1203 rests on Route #20, near what appears to be Colgate Creek.  Photo from the Transit Archives Collection.
1400
On the week before M-Day Conversion, a parade of buses was held by BTC and the city to celebrate.  Here, coach #1400 readies itself for the festivities, on what appears to be Water Street near Calvert.  Photo from the Transit Archives Collection.
1468
On the localized city portion of Route #23, the Highlandtown Underpass was the one location where an operator could let it out a bit.  Here coach #1468 heads West towards the turn at Haven Street, from which it would snake it's way for the demanding trip across Fayette Street. Photo from the Transit Archives Collection.
1552 The TDH-4507's delivered in 1947 were common sights all across town.  Here, coach #1552 proceeds along Grundy Street near Eastern Avenue on Route #23.  Photo from the Transit Archives Collection.
1602
TDH-4509's were typically kept at Bush Street during their career.  Within that time, they worked a number of the lines of that yard.  Here, coach #1602 works route #37 to Cherry Hill at Hopkins Place and Baltimore Street.  The coach sits at what is now the inside lobby of the Baltimore Arena!  Photo from the Transit Archives Collection.
1566 Interior GM "Old Look" interiors were rather simple, yet functional.  This is how coach #1566 looked inside.  Note the pane of broken glass resting in one of the seats on the right side.  Jack Bloodsworth photo. 

Despite the intial hard-fought success of the BTC in the initial round of conversions, successive conversions would prove to be less overwhelming, usually involving a single route at a time, and later "Old Look" bus orders reflect this. The next order of GM buses would not be delivered until 1951, as 20 TDH-4509s arrived, numbered 1600-1619.  These coaches were primarily bought to replace a group of Pre-War Yellows that were at retirement age.  By the time these coaches arrived, the standard scheme had changed to the "Transportation Orange" scheme that dominated during the 1950's.

A delivery of 31 new TDH-5103's in 1952 and 1953 helped to convert the #18 line from streetcars to buses.  These were Baltimore's first 40 foot buses. The introduction of the capacious design helped to give the NCL team more leverage in looking to convert the heavier streetcar lines to buses, and the remainder of the 1950's saw them doing just that through further old-look bus purchases.

Baltimore got its first ride on air-suspensioned Old Looks beginning in 1953, with the delivery of 15 new TDH-5105's, which were followed in 1954 by an additional 4 units, in total numbered 1800-1818.  Delivery of these coaches helped to supply sufficient coaches to allow for the conversion of the #13 line to buses.

Beginning in 1954, the BTC began to take a cheaper route when it came to additional coach acquisitions, in looking at the second hand GM Diesel market.  Acquisition of these coaches would in time create a convoluted numbering scheme, in which some purchases were isolated into their own series, while others were simply tacked onto existing series.

First of the second hand coaches to be recieved were 16 coaches purchased from Knoxville Transit Lines.  These coaches consisted of three 1946 TD-3609's which would be numbered 900-902, five 1947 TDH-3610's to be numbered 903-907, and eight 1945 TD-4506's which would be numbered 1201-1207.  Interestingly, the "new" 900's would allow for the retirement of a number of the small Gasoline Ford units, thus opening up enough space to number the 4506's into the 1200's.  However, for about a year, the BTC was rostering two separate series of 1200's!  The "new" 1200's, when coupled with declining ridership, allowed for the conversion of the #14 streetcar into a new, longer #23 bus line.  

BTC'S SECOND HAND "BUFFALOS"
1208 For much of their life in Baltimore, the 1200 series coaches were either assigned to Kirk Avenue or Retreat Street Divisions.  Here, coach #1208 rests between assignments.  Jack Bloodsworth photo.
1212 Coach #1212 passes a native while operating out of the Poly-Western High School complex.  Some of the 1200's had flush lights, while others had the "bug-eye" headlights similar to those on the 1100 series coaches.  Jack Bloodsworth photo.
1304 While often called "Buffalos" by operators, BTC #1304 was one of the few old looks in the fleet that could honestly carry that title, having been bought from the Buffalo Transit Company.  It is shown here on May 11, 1965.  Thomas Dorsey photo.
1035 Typical assignment for the slightly smaller 1034 series buses was use along the #70 line shuttle through Downtown.  As seen here on #1035, the coaches were even equipped with a special scroll for the service.  Thomas Dorsey photo from December 9, 1966.
1039 Coach #1039 rests between runs along the perimeter of the Kirk Avenue Yard in early 1969.  It would not be much longer before this set of coaches would be replaced by newer 2200 series coaches on the Downtowner run.  Jack Bloodsworth photo.
1620
Coach #1620, seen here at Windsor and Pulaski on the #51 in March of 1971, came from the Augusta Coach Company, and were simply numbered as an extension of BTC's own series of TDH-4509's.  The coaches were readily distinguishable from BTC's own coaches, however, due to their lack of Thermomatic vents.  JackBloodsworth Photo.
1920
Neraly New Old Looks were acquired by the BTC in 1957, when they picked up coaches like #1920 from Knoxville Transit Lines.  The coach is seen passing Memorial Stadium on the #3 line in the late 1960's.  Thomas Dorsey photo.

In 1955, the BTC would have to return to the new coach market, in its interest of converting the #32 streetcar to bus operation.  45 new TDH-5105's numbered 1819-1863 were ordered to sufficiently equip the BTC with enough coaches to meet the need.  This would be followed in 1956 by an additional 40 TDH-5105's numbered 1864-1893, which would allow enough equipment to convert the #19 line to bus operation (Harford's initial allotment of coaches would be 1840-1871).  BTC would also acquire an additional ten second-hand coaches, this time from Bluebird Coach lines, in 1956.  These 1946 TD-4007's would be numbered 1034-1043, tacked onto the beginning of a series of 1940 Yellows, a few of which remained in service.  They would spend their career at Kirk Division, primarily working the #70 Downtown line.

While no conversions took place in 1957, a number of bus purchases still took place.  First, 25 new TDH-5105's arrived numbered 1894-1918.  These would be followed by 11 more Knoxville buses.  First of these were 6 1955 TDH-5105's that were numbered as if new (no mention is made as to WHY KTL was already selling two year old coaches), being assigned to numbers 1919-1924.  The coaches are readily distinguishable from BTC's new 5105's by their split window sashes.  Also purchased from KTL were more of their TD-4506's, which would join their sister coaches and bear numbers 1208-1212.  The 36 coaches received this year may have spurred the retirement of some of the Brill buses.

In 1958, BTC relied solely on second hand equipment in its preparation to convert the #26 streetcar line.  First were 5 TDH-4509's bought from Augusta Coach Company.  These would be numbered 1619-1624 to mate in with the existing 4509's. They were basically identical, aside from the lack of the front "Therm-O-Matic" unit above the destination sign.  Also in 1958, the BTC dared to venture into the 1300 series finally, with the purchase of 16 1947 and 1948 TDH-4507's to be assigned fleet numbers 1300-1315.  These coaches were purchased from Buffalo Transit Company (and may explain the incorrect application of "Buffalos" ["Buffalo" is a term commonly used to describe a type of GM over-the-road coach] to all Old-Looks by some drivers) and spent their careers at Eastern Division, with one minor exception.

BTC would receive it's last "Old Looks" in 1959, when 25 coaches numbered 1925-1949 were delivered.  These were among the last TDH-5105's to ever be built - only 20 more coaches (for Milwaukee) would follow the BTC order.  These coaches were almost certainly intended to replace the remaining trackless trolleys then in use.  With this order in 1959,  the paint scheme finally changed.  BTC replaced the NCL variation with a two-toned green paint scheme.  This scheme includes a few variations in its use, ranging from an all-green body with large centered numbers to a two-tone green with small cornered numbers and a white roof.  

GREEN WITH ENVY - THE VARIATIONS
1098 VARIATION 1: BTC #1098 displays the most common use of the two-tone green scheme during the early 1960's.  Coach is all Mint Green with a Pine Green Stripe.  Although hard to discern in this shot, numbers on side are pine, and located beneath the stripe.  Coach is working the #3 at Cathedral & Read on September 16, 1966.  The all green body scheme vanished in 1968.  Jack Bloodsworth photo.
1102 VARIATION 2: BTC #1102 rests in Bush Street Yard in July, 1963.  Coach is Mint until the roofline, where it is white.  Side numbers are mint, and inlaid into the pine stripe.  Wheels are White instead of Mint.  This scheme survived on coaches until 1967.  Photo from the Transit Archives Collection. 
1136 Coach #1136 wears the second variation scheme as it passes Loch Raven Boulevard and Sherwood on April 4, 1967.  Interesting to note is the destination sign, which has had it's original single piece curtain replaced with a three roller set.  Jack Bloodsworth photo.
1138 One can see why the "Old Looks" were often called "Slopebacks" as evident in this photo of #1138 preparing to turn from Lexington into Howard in October of 1969 while working the #3 line.  Jack Bloodsworth photo.
1151 The 1100's tended to stand out, due to their interesting "bug-eye" headlights, which were also prevalent on many 1000's and 1200's.  Here, Coach #1151 soaks up the rays at Kirk Avenue yard on September 4, 1967.  Jack Bloodsworth photo.
1200 While most 1200's were second hand coaches, coach #1200 was actually the last of the newly purchased 1946 order.  Here, the coach enjoys a bath in the noontime hours at Carroll Park. In later years, the coaches retaining single piece number curtains had blank "route-only" curtains spliced in so as to accomodate new destinations by way of windshield cards.  Thomas Dorsey photo.
1419 Coach #1419 gives a good view of the Variation #2 scheme, as it rests at Cedonia Loop on April 11, 1967.  Note that the BTC logo is also inset into the stripe behind the rear door.  Jack Bloodsworth photo.
1428 VARIATION 3:  The days were numbered for coach #1428 as is rested at the Clifton Park end of Route 57 on May 17, 1971. While almost always an Eastern bus, rosters show this coach finishing service at Kirk.  Yet, by this time, the #57 operated from Harford Division.  Jack Bloodsworth photo.
1604 Variation 3 of the Green setup involved the replacement of the large centered front numbers with smaller corner placed Railroad Roman numerals.  Here, Coach #1604 has since had it's "BALTIMORE TRANSIT CO" lettering behind the front door replaced by an MTA sticker, as it rests on Route 34 at Lakewood & O'Donnell during the last week of operation on that line, on June 20, 1975.  Close inspection reveals two very different shades of green on the front. as well as long covered yellow paint peeking through on the vent covers.  Jack Bloodsworth photo.
1604 Among the nastier jobs within the shops was that of the Steam Cleaner.  Here, coach #1604 prepares for its engine cleaning on October 7, 1966 at Kirk Division.  Jack Bloodsworth photo.
1720 VARIATION 4:  Although differing only slightly from Variation 3, coach #1720 models the state modification seen on a few coaches during the early 1970's.  In this variation, the Railroad Roman numbers are replaced with Helvetica numerals.  Coach is shown completing its run on Route #21 on March 6, 1972.
1729 On borrowed time is coach #1729.  Interestingly, the coach still seems to be working a rather hefty assignment as it prepares to leave Middle River for Edmondson Village on Route #23 on April 22, 1975.  Jack Bloodsworth photo.
1577 No, this is notVARIATION 5!  No details are known as to WHY coach #1577 looks so mangled, but one thing is for sure, her career is definitely over.  Coach is shown at Bush Street Yard on July 27, 1970.  Jack Bloodsworth photo.

BTC would not return to purchase buses again until 1963, by which point, all 40 foot buses were of the "New Look" design, thus giving rise to the opposing term "Old Look."  BTC's Old Look fleet would remain largely intact throughout the 1960's, as BTC's bus purchases of the 1960's were intended to replace both streetcars and Brill buses.  As a result, the BTC had an all-bus, all-GM, all-diesel fleet by 1967.

While the BTC would retire very few "Old Looks," it's successor, the MTA would see to it to replace them all.  After arrival of the first set of a massive 370 bus order in 1971,all of the coaches up through 1400 were retired (with exception of #1306, which saw a brief stint at Kirk).  In addition a number of the 1400's  were also retired, while others were shuffled about to odd new divisional homes.  Arrival of the second set of coaches allowed for the retirement of the remaining 1400's and 1500's.

While MTA would retire a number of Old-Looks in 1971, they would acquire an additional handful in 1973, with their acquisition of the McMahon Transportation Company's suburban routes and equipment.  These would be short lived, however, and would soon be retired.  Descriptions of these coaches will be listed in a separate page detailing equipment acquired from the takeover of independents.

MTA's purchase of 100 buses in 1973 and 1974 primarily served to replace most of the equipment acquired from the independents, and equip the agency to fulfill an ambitious expansion plan during the mid-1970's.  However, before the arrival of the last 60 of these buses, a tight fuel crunch hit the United States, and MTA, looking for a temporary fix to prepare it for an increase in ridership, bought about 20 of the retired TDH-4507's back from Agro Motors near Fort Smallwood.  These "zombies" ran for a brief time, most carrying no roll signs, only cardstock destinations in their windows.  It is believed that these coaches did only short tripper duties for the agency during the time in which they operated.

The temporary return of these 1400's and 1500's, along with the implementation of a modification of the state Paint Scheme in 1973, which quite honestly, looked good on the old-looks, made for the final "Swan Song" of these coaches.  With only one exception, only the 5105's were given this new scheme, and most of the targets were the coaches from 1956 and later.  Virtually all of the 1959 models were repainted.  

THE BLUE & GREEN ERA
1807
One wonders if the man in the paint shop was sent out after #1907 in seeing this shot!  Regardless, coach #1807 emerged wearing the state colors by June 2, 1975, when this photo of it was taken on Route #19 at Baltimore and Howard Streets.  The coach likely had only a few weeks of active service remaining.  Jack Bloodsworth photo.
1810 A limited number of the 1953 TDH-5105's wound up painted into the State Color scheme, such as Coach #1810, shown here at what appears to be Carroll Park. Photo taken on June 9, 1975.  Jack Bloodsworth photo. 
1884 MTA #1884, a 1956 model peeks out of Harford Division on a sunny June 1975 day.  After the arrival of the Flxibles, any work still done by the Old Looks was largely limited to trippers.  Thomas Dorsey photo.
1898 Coach #1898 gets a cheap bath outside of Harford Division in April of 1975.  This shot offers a good view of the sides of the State scheme as applied to the Old Looks.  Thomas Dorsey photo.
1914 The gleam coming off of coach #1914 is so intense, it is no wonder your webmaster favors this scheme for the old looks!  Shown here at North and Bentalou on June 19, 1975, the coach is working the #13 line's Fells Point branch.  Jack Bloodsworth photo.
1923 Even a few of the ex-Knoxville buses made it into the State Colors, including #1919, and #1923, shown here on Route #3 in June of 1975.  In just weeks, this bus would face imminent retirement.  Good view of the different number destination sign style used on these coaches.  Jack Bloodsworth photo.
1936 Still amidst a number of its sisters is coach #1936, shown here at Kirk Division in 1975.  The Old Looks still had a few years to go.  Jack Bloodsworth photo.
1936 Looking quite a bit shabbier, and lonely as well is the same coach, #1936, now seen at Kirk Division in 1980.  The coach had less than two months of service left before it would be retired and replaced with new GM RTS's.  Jack Bloodsworth photo.
1940 When freshly painted, the Old Looks in the state paint scheme were a beautiful sight.  Here is #1940, fresh from a visit to the Carroll Park shops, shown here at Kirk Division in 1975.  Jack Bloodsworh photo.
Coaches repainted into Blue and Green include:
1722 1807 1810 1820 1841 1850 1871 1884 1886 1893 1894 1895 1897 1898 1899 1901 1902 1903 1904 1905 1908 1909 1910 1911 1912 1913 1914 1917 1918 1919 1923 1925 1926 1927 1928 1931 1933 1934 1935 1936 1937 1938 1939 1940 1941 1942 1943 1944 1946 1947 1948 1949

The order for 205 new Flxibles in 1975 saw the retirement of both the 1600 series and 1700 series.  In addition, a large number of 1800's and 1900's were weeded out.  Still, a respectable number of 5105's remained to serve until 1979 and 1980, when two orders of RTS-II's finally replaced them.  The last handful were sent out to Martin Airport, where they were ultimately sold in a sealed-bid auction.

Initially, five coaches were saved: #1894, 1909, 1912, 1928, and 1949.  Coach #1894 was converted to a Motor Home for a while, but appears to have been subsequently scrapped in Florida.  Meanwhile, coach #1928, a former Christmas Bus, was saved for a time, but ultimately served as a parts bus for #1909.  The remaining three survive, spread about.  Coach #1909 remains in Baltimore, restored to BTC green by Charlie Neal, #1912 was saved by George Knarr, but ultimately wound up restored as a Metrobus by WMATA  Finally, coach #1949 lives a new life out in Washington, saved by bus enthusiast Les Bagley.

The surviving "Old Looks" are not simply confined to 5105's.  Two others are alive and well.  Coach #1096 was held onto by the MTA, largely as a result of its significance as the first TDH-4506 produced.  It was donated to the Baltimore Streetcar Museum, and has ultimately been repainted back into the Yellow scheme dominant through the 1950's.  Coach #1426 also survives, the result of the hard work of the restoration of Father Kevin Mueller.  This coach had been sitting for years out in Elkridge, only to be brought back to life by Father Mueller, and now wears the "Fruit Salad" NCL scheme that it was delivered wearing.

In summary, the "Old Looks" were a significant part of the Baltimore transit picture, responsible for the most significant changes to ever take place to the tapestry of the system during the postwar era.  

GM Old Look Fast Facts
  • The 1100 series were a particularly durable coach set.  Out of the 100 bus order, only #1153 vanished from Rosters before 1971, at which point, all remaining 99 were retired, thus giving them all over 25 years of service!
  • It would appear that BTC had better luck with it's 1200's than it's 1300's.  A survey of photos of the late 1960's show far the availability of far more shots of 1200's than 1300's.
  • The 1400's and 1500's reactivated during the early 1970's were run in BTC Green.  They were given helvetica numbers on the corners instead of the typical Railroad Roman numerals.
  • Some 1600's continued in further use in Hagerstown for several years following their retirement in 1975 from the MTA.
  • One noteworthy charter bidding farewell to the 1600's was operated in 1975, aboard #1608.  This charter gave a load of photo opportunities of old operations, from the #12 to Halethorpe, to the vintage operations of the #26 and #27 lines.  This charter also featured numerous humorous Dash Signs that mocked many of the MTA's signs then in use.
  • A few other 1600's wound up in other second-hand duties as Patriotically themed ticket booths for the 1975 City Fair.
  • While the 1700's are typically thought of as having been Eastern Division coaches, they were actually assigned to Kirk Avenue early in their career for the #18 line service.